Monday, October 8, 2012

MKMOT/50 Days of HATE- Day 25 (October 8, 2012)

It's late Sunday night. It's been an exhausting weekend. Therefore, I'm exhausted. I can't even put together an articulate write-up. This is when it's good to have a few "non-debatables" in my arsenal.

Well, shit. Here. This. It pretty much works to a tee. And I just successfully mailed it in on a federal holiday. Even though the post office is closed, you know how it goes around here... Business as usual.

It's open.


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  1. FWIW - I posted what happened last night after my wife got home in DUAN.

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    1. Ah, but I never tried to cover it up!

      Looks like I'll be home shitting myself for years to come!

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  2. I just popped in and wanted to say something about the calls for moderation: The idea behind Kinja, as I understand it is to create as open a process as possible, therefore moderation is not high. Basically spam gets the boot and that's it. Sometimes blatantly racist shit will get booted as well but there is evidently a "line" that must be crossed. What that line is, is a mystery to me. Either way, it's not in any of our hands so, there's that. I literally email someone to say "Hey this guy, named BlackNiggerDickFuckerOrWhatever said some pretty horrible things, maybe get rid of it?" and they reply either "Got him" or "Let's keep an eye on him." It is almost completely hands off now.

    As for the person talking about inside baseball getting deleted, I promise you that you are 100 percent full of shit because the only people who ever cared about how annoying that shit is/was can't do anything about it.

    The only way things can get "deleted" without the kinja lords is if it is a reply to you. And even then I don't think it gets deleted technically, it just gets popped out to some weird corner of the kinjaverse.

    -Sean

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    1. So is it still worth sending a quick "hey, did you see this stupid racist crap?" or whatever to the faerie/whomever?

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    2. Yeah definitely. My policy is that I will send them just about anything and make them tell me it's not getting deleted. It's my way of civilly protesting, I suppose.

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    3. Hey Sean, what happens if you're the author of the article now that Kinja is set up so all initial comments are classified as replies to the author? Are those dismissible? Not that I'm suggesting writers now have to pull double duty as comment ninjas, just curious if that's at least one loophole in the kinjaspiracy.

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    4. I've sent thousands of e-mails complaining about Raysism.

      Still a problem.

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    5. What kind of stupid asshole would claim that Deadspin folks are policing inside baseball comments?

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    6. #megametainsidebaseball...

      [universe implodes]

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    7. As one of the people who raised the issue yesterday, thanks for the explanation. It sucks that Denton refuses to acknowledge the differences between his various sites' audiences/commenters, but that's clearly beyond your control so it isn't worth harping on about.

      To Bronze Hammer's point, have we seen the last of the COTF posts?

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    8. IMG, You know, I'm actually not sure about that. My guess would be no, but that's just a guess. I know that from the beginning I've been emailing things to people so I never really explored other options.

      RMJ, some anonymous guy in the previous thread, I believe.

      Gamboa, I am not replying to you because your name is not easily abbreviated with three letters. Sorry, boss.

      -Sean

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    9. SGT (See, Gamboa???), I don't know about the COTFishes, actually. Interestingly it was always Craggs pushing for them, so I'll check in with him on it. I will say that, personally (though, again, I did not write them), it was frustrating to see those go up and then everyone throw their hands up like "Why are you telling us--look at the comments section now!!"

      -Sean

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    10. This is what's annoying about the occasional times when regular commenters are all, "I don't like to use the dismiss button, it's not my place." Yes, it is your place. It is totally and explicitly your place. Use the dismiss button! Dismiss all sucky replies! Don't sit back and wait for us to do it, because we're virtually never going to. Dismiss dismiss dismiss.

      There's not much you can do about the standalone awfulness (like the dude who was glad the guy died or whatever), but you can and should and must cut down the shitty replies on your own. As a great Jedi once said, "Pass on what you have learned, [Deadspin commenters]."

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    11. If my name is not easily abbreviated with 3 letters, how do you explain this sweet monogrammed sweater I'm wearing right now? Huh, cheese_newell? HUH????????

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    12. ASS is not an abbreviation.

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    13. I love that I'm on a "watch-list", yet the dude who said he was happy to see someone murdered could probably comment again in a few days unnoticed as long as he kept it civil.

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    14. That's false. Your contributions will be judged on their merit, and you and "I'm glad he's dead" guy are both working against the reputations you've justly earned. And there is no "list."

      And anyway, what difference does it make? You're a troll. He's an idiot. Why should anyone be sensitive to your feelings?

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    15. CarlosMencia:

      What are you hoping to achieve doing what you're doing? Clearly you are somebody else posing as an idiot troll, to point out a flaw you see in the new commenting direction. To which I say: Thank you, Guy Standing In Front Of The Burning Building Yelling About How The Building Is On Fire, I had not noticed that building was on fire.

      Your assistance notwithstanding, why not just go back to being your own alter ego and continue to do what it is you are pointing out is lacking? I have no sympathy for the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" crew, because that's really all you are doing. Kinja is designed for people to use it in a particular way. What you think is being subversive is actually making it harder for the people actually still trying to make jokes to get their due.

      I'm not telling anyone how to go about commenting on deadspin, I'm just saying, if you miss a particular aspect about commenting on Deadspin, try bringing it back rather than doing the exact opposite of what it is you miss.

      -Sean

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    16. If ten or more of us commented on every post, you'd barely notice the trolls/burners.

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    17. This is where I, regrettably, part company with a number of people who I genuinely admire and respect and, more regrettably, find myself in agreement with Raysism. I think I've had some of my best jokes in the Kinja era. Ditto Ray, RMJ, Hammerclaw, and TX911. When we all come out in force, for a good live chat, or a peak at some humiliated 1980s idol's dong, we bring the roof down. I know Kinja sucks compared to the old system but we could make the best of it. We could make it better than it deserves. And not doing that because fuck Nick Denton is cutting off our obnoxious British nose to spite our face.


      Personally, I like Mencia. He's funny when he trolls and I think that was always accepted. It's the yahoo commenters who bug me, but we can overwhelm then through force of our superior commentary and aggressive use of the dismiss button. Let's stop day dreaming about getting things back to how they used to be and work with what we've got. I guess what I'm saying is, vote Obama.

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    18. The point that really, for as much (justified) grousing we do about the various elements of Kinja, if there was simply the same volume of good commenters commenting everything would be fine is well-made.

      Unfortunately, I think crowing about people not coming back and commenting is ultimately about as effective as crowing about Kinja itself.

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    19. Speaking for myself, I'm not really crowing about people not coming back and commenting – I’m just pointing out that it would fix most of the problems with Kinja. I completely understand why some people can’t or won’t comment as much. Fortunately for me, I generally don’t give a shit who else is commenting, or what other people think of my commenting. I wasn’t friends with anyone when I started here, and maybe I won’t be friends with anyone still commenting in a year, but it gives me something to do that I enjoy.

      But that being said, I’d be delighted if everyone came back, and the +1s were from Eddie Murray Sparkles and Always Winning instead of ILoveGiantCocks and HomosErectus.

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    20. Sure the system is open.. an open sewer!

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    21. Leave me the fuck out of this, Bronzie.

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    22. No moderation? This is the best thing I've read all day!

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    23. @Ray - that's a good point. I recently went back and looked at some old threads that I'd bookmarked ages ago as particularly good ones, and I was shocked to see the number of utterly awful, YouTube-grade comments from unstarred people. The difference is that there were proportionally more good commenters, and that their comments were literally bolder-looking than the grey ones. Also, you could click a "show promoted discussions only" button and didn't have to see the crud at all. But the thing that was really eye-opening was how many disastrously bad comments there have always been. It really highlighted that the most important thing is good people showing up and being good, to draw attention away from the bad stuff.

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    24. @Ray

      Sorry, man, I didn't mean it like you were pissing and moaning. I just meant that I don't think it's any more likely that those guys return than it is that Kinja gets rolled back. Saying "If we had more great commenters around..." makes it seem like it'd be easy, when I feel that's kinda like saying "If Nick Denton wakes up one morning and suddenly isn't the worst kind of idiot..."

      @Sharting

      I don't know about the threads you saw in particular, but it is true: there just used to be tons more comments, and they definitely were not all good, or even decent. Maybe I'm looking back on it too fondly, but I remember a lot of bad jokes and not as much regular sports talk and definitely no outright trolling -- it's obvious which of those two situations is vastly preferable. There was a lot more effort.

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    25. @Bronze -

      Right, I'm not saying things were just as bad then as now, not remotely. I'm just saying that there have pretty much always been a ton of really rotten, unacceptable comments, of one form or another. We used to be able to live with it more comfortably because we all trusted the mechanisms in place to control the spread of shitty comments, and because there were a lot more good ones. I won't deny that those two things are intimately related; all I'm saying is that Ray's right about the difference it would make if more of our great commenters returned to activity. Like you, I have my doubts about whether that'll ever happen; that doesn't mean Ray's wrong, though.

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  3. Did you know Raysism comments wearing a football helmet and adds a small "+1" sticker for each received?

    [honk honk]

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    1. [looks out office window; slowly draws shades; buttons chinstrap]

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  4. Only a stripper would disagree with Marv on this pick.

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    1. Not necessarily.

      I am a stripper.

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    2. This just became my favorite "not all rectangles are squares" example ever.

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  5. I had something similar happen to me once. Want to hear about it? No? Ok, here goes...

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  6. I am tired of talking about how Kinja sucks. Can we all just spend a few moments and talk about how I suck?

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    1. RMJ's next door neighbor's dickOctober 8, 2012 at 3:18 PM

      RMJ, you suck like a champ.

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    2. Okay, since I unloaded on everyone last night (poor choice of words, I admit), here's one for you: I was the terrible bobsyouraunt.

      I don't care what any of you say. I had a boatload of fun with it.

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    3. Considering your story last night, I'm also of the opinion that you could possibly maybe but no way 100% definitely be Stinky McBritches.

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    4. @RMJ

      Ha! You read Hunger Games. What are you, some kinda girl?

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  7. Fuck it. It's Columbus day. Just take the rest of the day off guys! I'll be doing beer bongs on the roof, who's coming with me??

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  8. THE ONLY WAY THIS REDESIGN COULD BE BETTER IS IF I WAS BLIND.

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    1. I don't know this place from a whole in the wall.

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    2. Easy there ass-fuck, I'm the real cheese mouse around here, I'm Monterrey Jack!!1!

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